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#21 TUN3R

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

The points I bring up as most factual you can fact check against what I said here, but because I read it while a member, LONG STANDING, at GTAForums, doesn't mean it's all heresay or invalid gamer chat, some of what gets out is factual, but everyone is a skeptic, which at times is understandable. I can make out what I posted, you might need to just RE-READ it till it makes more sense to YOU! hahaha


You can understand what you say. Congratulations, you're up for a Nobel, moron.

'all their own' is not an Expression, what that sentance is saying is what you seem to be thinking, that Rockstar operate outside the norms of the gaming industry, I'm not sure what your entire stance is, and you basically shunned all my prose, did you not?! (syntax error?! haha)


Then maybe you should write your own dictionary, so that people don't have to take a milion guesses till they understand what the fuck you mean, since you seem to be giving your own meanins to the various words and expressions you use.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:53 PM


I didn't single out more then one thread about the subject, and I'm also done explaining it in so many words, if you doubt my comments, all of them, then do some homework and don't expect me to waste my time, it's pretty obvious based on some facts why those PC versions from Rockstar Games are lacking, but the open, unanswered question is why they are sporadic in output, and or lacking the quality of AAA titles in PC format, as well, ask yourself why Microsoft is dividing loyalty among PC software and now hardware with tablet SURFACE and Xbox hardware, which is tackled in the same tradition Sony did.


Because the Housers are a couple of greedy assholes and Microsoft is your usual evil company that would rather sell more garbage than one good product, even if that product is popular as all hell and was proven to take them to the top.

The point I was making that only seemed Off Topic as you picked the comments apart in quotes making it harder to render a good response for everyone, is that Rockstar don't operate on some foreign business model all their own, the same venues for product exist for all in this Entertainment Marketplace, again, you don't believe me?! Then do some homework and research, but you might be living on some other planet if you still don't see this as fact of the matter.


I don't believe you because I have no idea what the fuck you're saying. "All their own"? Is that even an expression?




@Bold: Are you a communist? If you are fair enough but from what I have read of your posts on this forum you seem to be opposed to anyone how makes a profit. Also Microsoft are not some evil company at all. I is up to the individual to decide what operating system they want, Microsoft do not stand and put a gun to their head.

@Underlined: Not understanding what he says is not a reason to not believe him. That is just ignorance on your part.

To conclude you appear to be an immature individual who is closed minded towards views and opinions that differ from your own. I suggest you do some growing up pretty quicky :)

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:52 AM

@Bold: Are you a communist? If you are fair enough but from what I have read of your posts on this forum you seem to be opposed to anyone how makes a profit. Also Microsoft are not some evil company at all. I is up to the individual to decide what operating system they want, Microsoft do not stand and put a gun to their head.


Don't ever call me a communist you little shit, you don't have the right. And there's a difference between someone who's making a profit by selling their clients what they pay for, and someone whio's making a profit by reducing production costs and (consequently) the product's quality, yet mainaining the same price.

@Underlined: Not understanding what he says is not a reason to not believe him. That is just ignorance on your part.


Lmao, really? So if I can't understand what someone says, I'm supposed to take them for granted? Just like that? Hmm that's informative, I think I'll start speaking Chineze, maybe this way people will believe me since I'm sure at least 90% of this community doesn't understand Chineze.

To conclude you appear to be an immature individual who is closed minded towards views and opinions that differ from your own. I suggest you do some growing up pretty quicky :)


And you're just another one of the hypocritical fanboys that populate this fuckin* community. Last I checked I wasn't the one getting shouted at cause I said something bad about Rockstar... oh wait, yes I was.

Edited by TUN3R, 11 January 2013 - 08:53 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

Glad to see you're still up to the same things, Tuner. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew you weren't out here starting shit with people over bullshit like their own opinions or them not speaking as proper of English as you do even though your spelling isn't quite up to par.

Seriously, people, unless you enjoy doing this, you shouldn't argue with Tuner. It's not ending, not anytime soon.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

AVG just logged a threat at this site, Rockstarsource, something, be aware, there's a malware threat somewhere around here!!

Anywho, the bottom line is that Rockstar under Housers rather then David Jones is going to be console-centric, and the history of gaming always favors consoles, though PCs have grown under "Moore's Law" exponentially, so PC gaming could be the king ultimately but software designers and engineer's efforts ultimately make the difference, not the hardware, without software, it's about as useful as a doorstop or paperweight! End of story

#26 TUN3R

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:26 AM

I'm a dipshit.


Who cares?

AVG just logged a threat at this site, Rockstarsource, something, be aware, there's a malware threat somewhere around here!!


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FYI: There are malware threats everywhere on the internet.

Anywho, the bottom line is that Rockstar under Housers rather then David Jones is going to be console-centric, and the history of gaming always favors consoles, though PCs have grown under "Moore's Law" exponentially, so PC gaming could be the king ultimately but software designers and engineer's efforts ultimately make the difference, not the hardware, without software, it's about as useful as a doorstop or paperweight! End of story


In your head mostly. "The history of gaming always favors consoles" where do you get this crap? How about you come up with actual facts next time you try to win an argument that is lost from the start hmm?

By the way. the dipshit is right about one thing:

It's not ending, not anytime soon.


Good luck.

Edited by TUN3R, 12 January 2013 - 08:27 AM.


#27 TrialByFire

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:49 AM

For the record, I never called you a communist. There is a difference between 'are you a communist?' and 'you are a communist' hint: one of them is a question the other is a statement of fact, given your high command of the English language I thought you would have been able to figure that one out.

Also you managed to completely ignore the fact that these companies are not forcing people to buy their products. It is Rockstar and Microsofts (and anyone else for that matter) decision how they run their business, what their quality of products are like and how much they charge for them just as it is equally up to the individual whether or not they buy those products. Bottom line: don't like the product or think it isn't worth the price tag, news flash: don't fucking buy it

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Aww, your posts are still cute as ever, Tuna! It must feel really bad ass to always have to be right. :)

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#29 TUN3R

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

Also you managed to completely ignore the fact that these companies are not forcing people to buy their products. It is Rockstar and Microsofts (and anyone else for that matter) decision how they run their business, what their quality of products are like and how much they charge for them just as it is equally up to the individual whether or not they buy those products. Bottom line: don't like the product or think it isn't worth the price tag, news flash: don't fucking buy it


True! It's not a matter of legal or illegal, that was never in question. It's a matter of are they a bunch of rip-offs? And can I hate them for it? Yes:

Does Rockstar have demos for their games? No. Do they release gameplays before their game's release? Yes and no (mostly no). Do their clients know EXACTLY what they are buying? (hype aside) No, so all we have to go by are the edited cinematic trailers and Rockstar's good word.

Anyway that's not my issue with them, since I always make sure to obtain games "unofficially" before buying 'em. Only exception was... ahhh, GTA IV.

I'm not gonna explain Microsoft cause I've done it way too many times just in the last few days...

I'm still a fucking dipshit and that won't change anytime soon.


Noic dat.

Edited by TUN3R, 12 January 2013 - 08:05 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:18 PM

The facts are as I presented them, PC gaming contingent would be large enough to justify the bulk of gaming going in that direction, and as such, it doesn't appear to be, so justify your own ideas on the matter, present some logic to that end, since Rockstar aren't the only ones making video games, and they aren't the only ones favoring consoles. Take the fact that I do out of the equation and quit your flaming. I presented in this discussion without any pretense to call people names and belittle them, make them feel the fool, but it seems you do a good job of that yourself, Tun3r

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

The facts are as I presented them, PC gaming contingent would be large enough to justify the bulk of gaming going in that direction, and as such, it doesn't appear to be, so justify your own ideas on the matter, present some logic to that end, since Rockstar aren't the only ones making video games, and they aren't the only ones favoring consoles. Take the fact that I do out of the equation and quit your flaming. I presented in this discussion without any pretense to call people names and belittle them, make them feel the fool, but it seems you do a good job of that yourself, Tun3r


Thanks! Anyway, you need to know what a fact is before you can present one. Same goes for logic. Just because they make sense to you doesn't mean they are true / correct / right / whatever.

I never implied Rockstar were the only ones, quite the opposite in fact. Thanks in large part to Microsoft's anti-PC-gaming scheeme, most developers these days favor consoles. Rockstar is just one of the best examples...

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:01 AM

I never implied Rockstar were the only ones, quite the opposite in fact. Thanks in large part to Microsoft's anti-PC-gaming scheeme, most developers these days favor consoles. Rockstar is just one of the best examples...


Because they made one game that didn't get a PC release?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 04:23 AM

Facts cannot be argued with, and as you argue, all I see is resemblences of denial and resentment toward gaming companies. I'm just saying why it is the way it is, now and in any recent past you can remember. The consoles have stood an amazing test of time, given the contraint of aging hardware, and you have to take off your hat for the unending committment to make the best game possible, if it were solely greed and money as the aspirations of Rockstar or others, do you think 5 years or so spent making the game would make ANY sense?!?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:05 AM

Facts cannot be argued with, and as you argue, all I see is resemblences of denial and resentment toward gaming companies. I'm just saying why it is the way it is, now and in any recent past you can remember. The consoles have stood an amazing test of time, given the contraint of aging hardware, and you have to take off your hat for the unending committment to make the best game possible, if it were solely greed and money as the aspirations of Rockstar or others, do you think 5 years or so spent making the game would make ANY sense?!?


You must lack a serious amount of brain cells buddy, read carefully: JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY THEY ARE FACTS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE. Got that? Good.

Rockstar didn't spend five years developing GTA V. Nobody knows how much they spent but if my guess is correct, and if we take into consideration the fact that Max Payne 3 was also in development in this time, and the fact that GTA IV (which is also the base for GTA V) took three years to develop, I'd say they spent about two years on GTA V at best.


I never implied Rockstar were the only ones, quite the opposite in fact. Thanks in large part to Microsoft's anti-PC-gaming scheeme, most developers these days favor consoles. Rockstar is just one of the best examples...


Because they made one game that didn't get a PC release?


No, and iif you'd have read what I said before you'd know that's not what I said. But I guess that's too much to ask of ignorant fanboys.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:39 PM


Facts cannot be argued with, and as you argue, all I see is resemblences of denial and resentment toward gaming companies. I'm just saying why it is the way it is, now and in any recent past you can remember. The consoles have stood an amazing test of time, given the contraint of aging hardware, and you have to take off your hat for the unending committment to make the best game possible, if it were solely greed and money as the aspirations of Rockstar or others, do you think 5 years or so spent making the game would make ANY sense?!?


You must lack a serious amount of brain cells buddy, read carefully: JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY THEY ARE FACTS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE. Got that? Good.

Rockstar didn't spend five years developing GTA V. Nobody knows how much they spent but if my guess is correct, and if we take into consideration the fact that Max Payne 3 was also in development in this time, and the fact that GTA IV (which is also the base for GTA V) took three years to develop, I'd say they spent about two years on GTA V at best.


I never implied Rockstar were the only ones, quite the opposite in fact. Thanks in large part to Microsoft's anti-PC-gaming scheeme, most developers these days favor consoles. Rockstar is just one of the best examples...


Because they made one game that didn't get a PC release?


No, and iif you'd have read what I said before you'd know that's not what I said. But I guess that's too much to ask of ignorant fanboys.


@Bold: You do realise that Rockstar have several dev teams who work on different games right? Max Payne 3 was deved by Rockstar Vancouver, Grand Theft Auto V was deved by Rockstar North so your point doesn't really stand up...

@Underlined: I am not a fan boy at all I just happen to have opposing opinions to you, I am not sure why you are getting to uptight about it...

I have no problem with people believing what they want, until they think it's right to try and change what I believe.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:55 PM



Facts cannot be argued with, and as you argue, all I see is resemblences of denial and resentment toward gaming companies. I'm just saying why it is the way it is, now and in any recent past you can remember. The consoles have stood an amazing test of time, given the contraint of aging hardware, and you have to take off your hat for the unending committment to make the best game possible, if it were solely greed and money as the aspirations of Rockstar or others, do you think 5 years or so spent making the game would make ANY sense?!?


You must lack a serious amount of brain cells buddy, read carefully: JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY THEY ARE FACTS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE. Got that? Good.

Rockstar didn't spend five years developing GTA V. Nobody knows how much they spent but if my guess is correct, and if we take into consideration the fact that Max Payne 3 was also in development in this time, and the fact that GTA IV (which is also the base for GTA V) took three years to develop, I'd say they spent about two years on GTA V at best.


I never implied Rockstar were the only ones, quite the opposite in fact. Thanks in large part to Microsoft's anti-PC-gaming scheeme, most developers these days favor consoles. Rockstar is just one of the best examples...


Because they made one game that didn't get a PC release?


No, and iif you'd have read what I said before you'd know that's not what I said. But I guess that's too much to ask of ignorant fanboys.


@Bold: You do realise that Rockstar have several dev teams who work on different games right? Max Payne 3 was deved by Rockstar Vancouver, Grand Theft Auto V was deved by Rockstar North so your point doesn't really stand up...

@Underlined: I am not a fan boy at all I just happen to have opposing opinions to you, I am not sure why you are getting to uptight about it...


@B: Max Payne 3 was developed by several Rockstar studios, and I can remember Sam Houser, Dan Houser and Leslie Benzie having their names first in the intro credits. Might wanna look that up again.

Grand Theft Auto V itself IS indeed developed by Rockstar North, but seeing as Max Payne 3 and LA Noire were just pigs for slaughter...

@U: Fanboys always get revolted and make things personal whenever someone talks bad about their favorite whatever. You fit the bill nicely.

Edited by TUN3R, 13 January 2013 - 08:56 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

There didn't need to be two topics about a Petition to Rockstar, but as I said, I'm into gaming PC technology to see what it morphs into in the years ahead, but there is also a factor in PC tech that trickles down to just about EVERYTHING, consoles not the least among them, but I would point to more factual information, CD ROM, recordable 'baby LaserDisc' became affordable to the masses based on computer proliferation. LaserDisc stayed viable in the market due to corporations adopting them, and Home Theater in the late 1980s and early 1990s, CD adoption took off since it's inception in 1983 based on it's size, 5 inch versus 12 inch, which was the norm for both vinyl records and Laserdisc optical format, though, and keep this in mind, NEITHER RECORDED content
The thing that's troubling is that making a game multiplatform doesn't steer in the strengths of PC tech versus a standard adoption for consoles, the games are thought to be dummed down, clear example is Crysis original to Crysis 2, which was an attempt to bring the series to console, many thought impossible before it came to actually be. Still, there is promise of Tech Trickle Down for consoles forthcoming, more on par with their PC brethren
I always hoped for a more MODULAR approach, like Meridian took with their Home Theater stereo surround systems, and Sega had attempted to do a modular upgrade for the Sega Genesis, a port stood dormant thoughout it's run.

As far as fanboy, there's a little bit of that in everyone, but it's because equal merit and time should be given to each product that merits it, praise for what it does right, not what it does wrong, if it's a failure, it fails to ultimately win any fans and staying power in the marketplace. PCs currently are set to morph as I said to SFF with a helluva lot more power then times past, this bodes well at least from the hardware standpoint.

The point made about Rockstar's key heads getting credit billing... How did I say anything different about who develops what? I said that ROCKSTAR GAMES getting credit means shared successes among the developer's assets are being used to speed along game building I would say, and that only bodes well for getting more elements in place for a 'winning' game build. It's normally thought of in terms of the left hand not knowing what the right one is doing because they work more segregated in the past

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

Of course the Houser's were gunna be involved, do you not think that they are involved with most if not all projects undertaken by Rockstar? I did look it up actually and yes Max Payne 3 had contributions from pretty much if not all of the Rockstar studios but was deved mainly by Rockstar Vancouver. In my opinion I would not say that this suggests that any projects the other studios had on the go at the time got neglected as I think Rockstar are one of the better game studios out there, I have yet to play a game deved by Rockstar that I did not think was top notch. Having said that I haven't played every single game made by Rockstar by a long chalk.

Also I am not getting revolted or personal at all, as far as I am concerned we are just having a debate, you are the one getting personal with your whole 'oh you guys are just fanboys' routine.

I have no problem with people believing what they want, until they think it's right to try and change what I believe.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:44 AM

The morphing of Rockstar studio divisions is done because of the budget and staffing, hence, one can also attribute their quality mission statement they have as well as not a lot of games in the skunk works at any given time.

Rockstar spent over 4 years making GTA V, I'd reset this idea you have that Max Payne was taking away from work on GTA, that's what the pundits think, but they're total outsiders and their assumptions don't take in all the data that's been presented over the years, as I said, being a constant member of GTAForums kept me rather updated on things in the space of 8 to 9 years
I'll post some links about the keypoints I've been reiterating in one way or another
Tried GTAForums search just now, I can't get that working, it done broke, but there is this older GTA IV section archive jumping off point...
http://www.gtaforums...8;f=120&st=

http://www.gamasutra..._themselves.php

If you can keep your childish antics in check, why not apply for a coveted position to help aid their PC programming end here?...
https://www.rockstar.../rockstar-north

edited due to browser crashing on my end

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:23 AM

I presented in this discussion without any pretense to call people names and belittle them, make them feel the fool, but it seems you do a good job of that yourself, Tun3r

It's legitimately all he's good at, in fact. I've not EVER witnessed one instance of him in any kind of discussion that did not involve him belittling someone, usually for nothing more than his own pleasure. Myself, I prefer face-to-face mental anguish to quench my sadism, but to each their own, right?

@B: Max Payne 3 was developed by several Rockstar studios, and I can remember Sam Houser, Dan Houser and Leslie Benzie having their names first in the intro credits. Might wanna look that up again.

Grand Theft Auto V itself IS indeed developed by Rockstar North, but seeing as Max Payne 3 and LA Noire were just pigs for slaughter...

@U: Fanboys always get revolted and make things personal whenever someone talks bad about their favorite whatever. You fit the bill nicely.


DEVELOPED by Rockstar Studios, or PUBLISHED by Rockstar Studios, because I feel you may not know the difference.

And that fan-boy comment was absolutely adorable. Says the one who gets beet-red with anger when someone down-talks Saints Row. It's incredibly entertaining watching you flame people for resorting to flaming people, go fanatical over a game then turn around and throw accusations of fanboyism, and then take a jab at humor by oh-so-cleverly changing my words in quotes JUST to go and throw my own judgment of you back on me as if "NO YOU!" has any support in any type of argument.

Oh, and run-on sentences, bitch. Because I can.

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