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#21 TUN3R

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:53 AM

DO NOT say I'm not making sense without explaining your way of thinking and/or perception, I know what I typed, dude, it's not a bunch of nonsense, help me to help you get it straight in your mind. I have Aspergers and I'm told that presents some communication difficulty, but I know what I typed, for gosh sakes!


You just did. Sorry to hear about it.

2K is part of Take 2 Interactive I assumed, though I just didn't do research enough on that, but what I told as the basics history of GTA, Rockstar, and DMA is all based on fact, not whimsical fanboy musings.
I keep reading Rockstar's Newswire like most of us, they don't single out PC gamers when it comes time to do some Multiplayer events, they never really addressed PC gaming deficiencies because I doubt you'd make a point of areas where YOU have difficulty and can't show your OWN best side, would you?


It's already pretty obvious how thin your research was.

FYI: Facts are ether the real things that you back up with proof or the real things that are so obvious even the CIA couldn't contest them, not the subjective fanboy BS.

Would you handily admit your own deficiencies?! This is why I believe Rockstar don't make an open issue of the PC versus console releases they've done so far, or continue to do.


So... they don't make them, but they used to, and they still are? You wanted proof that your articulation sucks, here it is, with the pretty colors and everything.

I'm being unbiased on this, not choosing sides, PC or console, I just choose console gaming for the same reasons millions of other gamers also do. I challenge you to walk into Gamestop and find a PC section nearly as large as any ONE console variety section in the store, I've yet to see one. The PC section of the store in Minneapolis is about 4 shelf spaces at best! Target has more PC games, but most are basic, no-name games, not A-list titles, or even ones available on console, so it just presents something more of a head-scratcher for ya.


I won't find one. Mainly because we don't have Gamestop here, but also because, PC gaming at least, evolved to the point where CD's or DVD's that you can scratch or lose have become very unpractical.

Now I dare you to find me a bigger / better digital distribution service than Steam on PC / Mac. Hell, I doubt you'll even find a better digital distributor on consoles than Origin on PC...

I also dare you to compare the best selling game franchises and see which of them sold most. I know you're too lazy to even do a proper research before getting your fanboy on, so allow me to lay down the facts for you. Here's the Top 10, excluding Mario, Pokemon and Tetris, since those existed waaay before gaming even became a serious industry, Tom Clancy's series because they aren't just one series, it's just that the person behind them was smart enough to put his name in the title of every single one, and Final Fantasy because it has more games than I care to or can affor to count and compare.

1. Mario
2. Pokemon
3. The Sims (Over 102 milion copies worldwide, new release every year AVERAGE, not actually every year. It has only a handful of games but more than a ton of expansions that were distributed and costed as much as the games, yet they sold. Mainly a PC series, 90% of sales being for the PC versions)
4. Tetris
5. Final Fantasy
6. Grand Theft Auto (over 80 milion copies worldwide), new release every 2 years average, mainly Sony, Xbox and Windows PC platforms, sold in almost equal amounts on every platform but keep in mind that most PC versions came out a few months after the console versions)
7. Madden NFL (over 70 miion copies worldwide, new release every year since 1988, almost every popular platform, no particularly high sales on any platform)
8. FIFA (over 65 milion copies worldwide, new release every year since 1993, shitload of platforms, but for the most part the Sony platforms' versions seem to have sold best, most sites estimate around 2/5 of the copies were sold on PS3, 1/5 on Xbox, about the same on Nintendo and the last bit on all the other platforms)
9. Legend of Zelda (over 52 milion copies worldwide, new release every 1.5 years average, multiple platforms but all Nintendo,)
10. Tom Clancy's Series

I've done my homework. Good luck.

Edited by TUN3R, 02 January 2013 - 12:56 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:09 AM

Let's focus on the articulation argument about Rockstar releasing PC versions of SOME games, what I was saying in the whole of the quote is that it's sporadic and odd in what was PC and console versus Console only, and what we'd ALL like to know is if Rockstar is doing game releases that way based on individual workloads per studio segment, it's now under the Umbrella of ROCKSTAR GAMES versus, in the past, having North clearly denoted as the development studio.

Steam has won any current contest for downloading software, but that's not really relevant to the segment size of console gaming.
It's just very easy to program for the same hardware specs, no matter how you opt to slice that, it's always a fact that the hardware of a particular console is set in stone, a PC differs from model to model
We also don't know how many people specifically work for Rockstar or on what game at any given time. What has been divulged is that the Housers are Taskmasters, they press their staff of workers like Steve Jobs did with Apple Engineers, in a similar relationship you can imagine. I'm using as a clearer example of what has come out in the forums and leaks, etc. A news-story about the San Diego team pointed out some issues with this workload tasking, as well, someone who did work there said they would have to switch projects based on some upper level management decision, I can't say how much truth there is there, but it's NEVER been said otherwise, I can tell you that much. Rockstar has never gone on record about these issues, and it's not hard to guess why either.

If you take all the little factoids or information surrounding Rockstar and add them together, you get a better idea of the big picture, that's my take anywho

Edited by BlackListedB, 02 January 2013 - 01:17 AM.


#23 TUN3R

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

(irrelevant bullshit)


Ok.

Steam has won any current contest for downloading software, but that's not really relevant to the segment size of console gaming.
It's just very easy to program for the same hardware specs, no matter how you opt to slice that, it's always a fact that the hardware of a particular console is set in stone, a PC differs from model to model


Consoles aren't made of stone, litteraly or metaphorically (since a third of them break). And they differ from model to model too.

We also don't know how many people specifically work for Rockstar or on what game at any given time. What has been divulged is that the Housers are Taskmasters, they press their staff of workers like Steve Jobs did with Apple Engineers, in a similar relationship you can imagine. I'm using as a clearer example of what has come out in the forums and leaks, etc. A news-story about the San Diego team pointed out some issues with this workload tasking, as well, someone who did work there said they would have to switch projects based on some upper level management decision, I can't say how much truth there is there, but it's NEVER been said otherwise, I can tell you that much. Rockstar has never gone on record about these issues, and it's not hard to guess why either.


Speak for yourself. I'm not talking in anybody's name, maybe you should do the same.

Anyway... umm, what?

If you take all the little factoids or information surrounding Rockstar and add them together, you get a better idea of the big picture, that's my take anywho


That's what I am doing. That's what pisses these dumbass fanboys off so badly.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

I'm not getting too hot under the collar about it, I take what good comes out eventually, that's all we really can do other then let Rockstar know, and if petitioning is the most effective, certainly go that route, I just urge others to keep letting them know so they can't push the issue under the carpet. That's how it becomes reality, if at all.

"speaking in anybody's name", how else do you get to the facts? That's the way I see how, offer up what news bytes have come along in the years spent following GTA, and you basically seem to write those off because I offered them to you instead of the supposed mouth that feeds, I pointed out that you clearly can't expect the Housers or a Rockstar Spokesperson to clarify rumors or articles that don't show them in a good light, do you? HONESTLY, answer that if anything, for me??

Edited by BlackListedB, 02 January 2013 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:47 AM

I'm not getting too hot under the collar about it, I take what good comes out eventually, that's all we really can do other then let Rockstar know, and if petitioning is the most effective, certainly go that route, I just urge others to keep letting them know so they can't push the issue under the carpet. That's how it becomes reality, if at all.


FYI: Rockstar don't give a damn about what ANYBODY says, customer or otherwise. They never have, they never will, and for good reason. Most of the fans don't give proper feedback and just ask for stupid crap that will only ruin the game. "GUH BRIN BACK TONY VERCETITI!!11 REMAKE GTA VIEC CTY IN HD FOREVER!!11".

"speaking in anybody's name", how else do you get to the facts? That's the way I see how, offer up what news bytes have come along in the years spent following GTA, and you basically seem to write those off because I offered them to you instead of the supposed mouth that feeds,


Yes well like I said earlier, you need to pick up a dictionary. FACTS aren't something you make up by pretending that you and god knows how many people have the same idea, facts are something that was proven (or lied about by a very big number of people, or someone very infulential, if you're into history).

I pointed out that you clearly can't expect the Housers or a Rockstar Spokesperson to clarify rumors or articles that don't show them in a good light, do you? HONESTLY, answer that if anything, for me??


Umm... I do, actually. I doubt it would hurt them more if they came clean rather than hide the truth.

I mean, the fanboys won't give a shit... and the rest of us would ether apreciate it or doubt Rockstar. I and a decent number of people I know (also GTA or ex-GTA fans) already doubt Rockstar so...

Edited by TUN3R, 03 January 2013 - 12:51 AM.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:29 AM

I really don't see how people can go against their fellow gamers because they chose their own "weapon of choice" that being Sony, Microsoft, PC, or..... handheld, online, etc, etc
We all like games and we pick our own platform, the problem lies in hardware always requiring software, that equation never changes, the two are separate entities, the software end in terms of even creating your own is up to you, the consumer, and up to the developer who put together the manpower, and money, all resources to offer a software product in any guise they so chose. That's all there is to say, I'm stopping any debate on this, since I'd like to see Rockstar offer AAA PC gaming titles, but like Multiplayer VS singleplayer, concentrated efforts in one versus the other results in disgruntled gamers, it's unavoidable as I see it. There's NO EASY ANSWER to this

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

I really don't see how people can go against their fellow gamers because they chose their own "weapon of choice" that being Sony, Microsoft, PC, or..... handheld, online, etc, etc
We all like games and we pick our own platform, the problem lies in hardware always requiring software, that equation never changes, the two are separate entities, the software end in terms of even creating your own is up to you, the consumer, and up to the developer who put together the manpower, and money, all resources to offer a software product in any guise they so chose. That's all there is to say, I'm stopping any debate on this, since I'd like to see Rockstar offer AAA PC gaming titles, but like Multiplayer VS singleplayer, concentrated efforts in one versus the other results in disgruntled gamers, it's unavoidable as I see it. There's NO EASY ANSWER to this


I don't go against people for being stupid enough to buy an Xbox or a PS3, I go against companies like Microsoft for trying to put an end to PC gaming, and developers like Rockstar for cashing in on PC gaming's misfortune and fucking up the competition's chances to actually make and sell good PC games. I read everything you said despite most of it being bullshit, maybe you should to the same instead of reading the first five words and replying.

Edited by TUN3R, 09 January 2013 - 11:54 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:24 AM

We should probably lock this version of the thread, again trying to flame me for what I point out as things to keep in mind is senseless AND pointless, I don't program the code or make marketing decisions for Rockstar, but the factoids I was presenting paint out the picture of how the industry works and how Rockstar work within that industry, the SAME one, as I said, they follow a formula that's not all that new. PCs evolved in a shorter time frame then console gaming has been in existance, and though they (PCs) are superior, they are still not intended solely for gaming, the idea behind the consoles is to provide a uniform device dedicated to gaming, MaximumPC magazine believes the S.F.F. (small form factor) is seeing a rebirth, taking the large, cumbersome gaming PCs of the recent past and consolidating them with HTPCs, those intended to exploit graphics and sound for video and film presentations.

I would end in saying if you want to have a GTA game catering to PC, you'd have to go make it yourself, go to school for game design and make that game you so desire, like everyone who has done exactly that, they made a software product that thousands love to play, aka GTA
George Lucas had a desire for the type of film he wanted to see himself when he made STAR WARS, it worked, it inspired and spawned more films in that genre. Same idea applies in all fields of Entertainment
A few outside fans, outside of ROCKSTAR won't be able to cause a change in the direction of that company, think for a moment how many people ALREADY work inside the ROCKSTAR GAMES organization!

They already said, again, matter of fact record, that they don't take too much outside influence to make decisions, they do it within the employee pool. A Petition is one of the best options available to us, as well, boycotting if you can hold out, that's how I see it, but causing commotion with other fans because they're also vocal about what they like or hate about someone ELSE'S game makes no difference to the problem at hand

Edited by BlackListedB, 12 January 2013 - 06:27 AM.


#29 TUN3R

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:19 AM

I'm not even gonna bother reading that, since you didn't bother reading ANYTHING I wrote since we started this wonderful discussion. I already know you're an outraged fanboy, I don't need any more convincing on that.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

My current thinking of PC gaming is that a gaming laptop might be the better console players move to a gaming on PC platform since it's more cost effective, consider a top mobo alone without any components added costs $300 to $400 USD!!

By 'fanboy', lets say I prefer hand controllers to manipulating keyboard and mice, never originally designed for gaming, I know, I started on 8 bit Apple, using ARROW keys to move in arcade games! (AWSD keys as well as AZ)

Edited by BlackListedB, 17 January 2013 - 07:40 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

My current thinking of PC gaming is that a gaming laptop might be the better console players move to a gaming on PC platform since it's more cost effective, consider a top mobo alone without any components added costs $300 to $400 USD!!


I'll pretend I understand that, even though I don't. You're saying a laptop is a better choice for gaming than a desktop amrite? Well...

-A laptop that is equal to a desktop in terms of performance will ALWAYS cost more, usually between 33% more. Over here they are 50% more but our economy is upside down at the moment so it doesn't count.
-Even though a laptop's power usage is lower, the battery and CPU have a tendency to overheat quicker. Chances are that if you plan on using a laptop for gaming you'll need so much cooling shit for it that it'll take up almost as much space as a desktop.
-Laptops tend to have more compatibility issues than desktops.
-Laptops are more diffficult to upgrade than desktops, and at the rate games these days are evolving, and the way game developers are doing their jobs, chances are you'll need to upgrade sooner or later.
-Laptops are much easily thrown out the window if your girlfriend catches you playing Call of Duty at 5:00 AM. It's true!

By 'fanboy', lets say I prefer hand controllers to manipulating keyboard and mice, never originally designed for gaming, I know, I started on 8 bit Apple, using ARROW keys to move in arcade games! (AWSD keys as well as AZ)


That's fine, but it's no excuse for devs to stop configuring keyboard imputs properly. The keyboard IS the standard on PC. How would you feel if GTA IV only supported Kinect / PS Move and not the standard controllers?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

A laptop can get you into gaming in one easy move, PCs as I said are still going to be outdated faster then consoles. Price is also fairly nice if you buy a gently used one. There are plenty now, whereas in years past, there weren't. Anywayz, this thread was not required with the same topic also active elsewhere, just saying. I read PC magazines, and I might just try a gaming mouse, I see one for $40 list, not bad there, but a gaming keyboard?! Forget it, Not interested.

I noted the Intel Haswell and Broadwell will take over from Ivy and Sandybridge, which are still no slouch for performance, but the internal GPU is going to be pretty dang impressive and you WILL find them in all Intel laptops where they appear! Gaming is no longer a question in that case, however, there will be three levels of GPUs and going with the top tier is what you will want

Edited by BlackListedB, 18 January 2013 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

A laptop can get you into gaming in one easy move, PCs as I said are still going to be outdated faster then consoles. Price is also fairly nice if you buy a gently used one. There are plenty now, whereas in years past, there weren't. Anywayz, this thread was not required with the same topic also active elsewhere, just saying. I read PC magazines, and I might just try a gaming mouse, I see one for $40 list, not bad there, but a gaming keyboard?! Forget it, Not interested.


Once more you simply ignored my point, you're getting good at that.

I noted the Intel Haswell and Broadwell will take over from Ivy and Sandybridge, which are still no slouch for performance, but the internal GPU is going to be pretty dang impressive and you WILL find them in all Intel laptops where they appear! Gaming is no longer a question in that case, however, there will be three levels of GPUs and going with the top tier is what you will want


Don't be an asshole, I read everything you said even though most of it was bullshit, the least you can do is read mine.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

A lot is going on on the web... is it really coming to PC or these are just fake rumours in the social network? If all that is true is good news for us,right?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

I'm done expressing my simple thoughts on the matter, most of what I believe is true about Rockstar are based on those news-stories I pointed to, and the information direct or indirect that was coming from a legitimate source, not just fans or gamers chatting it up about what they THINK is the modus operandi at Rockstar Games. I believe whether it's Rockstar North or Take2's whole umbrella, there are 300 or more staffers who all share individual views, no one's is a heckuva lot more important then anyone elses, which is why the Housers said enough debate over the games development happens in-house. It's also highly likely there are those raised on PC gaming at Rockstar, but the heads of that company NOW are console centric, that that's been the case pretty much since DMA changed. What we are hoping for is a petition might garner enough response to have impact into Rockstar's own evaluations, again, absolutely not contesting that, but to do away with consoles or PCs?! Not gonna happen! (BTW, where's CR in this posting box? ARGH!?! Tun3r, your ideas are relatively half-baked, and I can wager well enough, simply not shared by all. What I get is that you want no PC edition of GTA if they can't do it better then console, if multiplatform....or what exactly??)

Edited by BlackListedB, 24 January 2013 - 07:58 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

*being full of shit as always*

 

Shut up -.- Go build another GTA altar or sacrifice another goat for Rockstar or some shit.

 

 

A lot is going on on the web... is it really coming to PC or these are just fake rumours in the social network? If all that is true is good news for us,right?

 

Both. You can count on a PC version some day but everything else regarding the PC version is pretty much bullshit. Before I was about 90% sure but that PC version pre-order leak (Amazon was it?) erased any doubt.

 

And that's good news for some of us, mainly the blind, naive or ignorant.


Edited by TUN3R, 28 January 2013 - 10:15 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:24 AM

I just picked up the book JACKED this weekend, since you have a hard time getting the points I'm making, Tun3r, I suggest you also get that book and it will fill in the insight about Rockstar and it's people. I found it's a good jog for your memory, but for me, certainly not the only thing I've read about Rockstar and GTA

 

http://kotaku.com/58...rand-theft-auto


Edited by BlackListedB, 29 January 2013 - 09:26 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:41 AM

I suggest you pick up a book called The Dictionary if you wanna keep reviving this argument forever.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

Ba Ha Ha HA

 

You are not worth arguing, that's true. Keep thinking your own silly thoughts on how the World operates I guess



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Ba Ha Ha HA

 

You are not worth arguing, that's true. Keep thinking your own silly thoughts on how the World operates I guess

 

Good! That means you'll shut the fuck up?







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