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Gobble gobble!

I figured I'd say hey & let you all know I'm still alive, just offline for now. I'm shooting for being back
on by the first of the year but not guarantees depending on what happens in my personal life (still FUBAR).

It seems all I had to do to get on line is drive across the country & hop a boat to Catalina Island for
Turkey Day . Lost the shop, the landlord's wife rode his ass to rent the whole building & he didn't
find the couch all that appealing (can't blame him there) but I got ahold of a 32 passenger bus w/ wheelchair
lift & converted it to a mobile shop of sorts. Room for all my tools + an 8000 what generator to run the
compressor & welder. I'm working on buying a small building or leasing a garage big enough for Vengence
(about 85% done).

THAT'S what tec looks like!? After playing SR2 I thought he looked like Tia Carrera.

Now go to that voodoo that you do sooooo well. Later.

(Fresh pics to follow.)


I won't go into detail as to why, but things in my life have recently changed. I decided the best way to deal w/ this is
something I should have done years ago but was too tied w/ responsibilities & obligations to do. For years people asked
"Where's the Harley?" I would just smile & point at the girlfriend's grandkid or whatever else always seemed to pop up.

Then I heard about a project bike, needing work but relatively cheap. I met the guy & checked out the bike & in just a
few minutes struck a deal & shook hands. Originally I was looking to build something like a Zombie but this one just
felt right. The name, Vengence, just jumped out to me & fits.

He wanted $3000 & we kicked it back & forth, found out he was interested in a '93 Jimmy I had & decided it was worth
half, great for me as I got the Jimmy out of some trading last year & was actually $50 ahead on that one. To top it off
his neighbor wants my '63 Rambler so that puts some on my cash back in my pocket & my final cash outlay at under
$1100. No one I know remembers the last time anyone found a Harley basket case for under $3000, let alone one
that was fairly complete & nearly running. Ironically, the plates on the Jimmy expired the day after the deal was
completed.

Frame - '82 Harley XL, converted to "weld-on" hardtail. Husky compared it to Johnny's Hexer & it would be a pretty easy
build to build one starting here, just re-angle the gooseneck (where the front forks attach) & add the springer front end.

Engine - Early '70s Harley XL 1000 AKA Sportster (good eye Huck), warmed over just a little w/ S&S carb & intake. The
cams may also be S&S parts & the bike is reputed to be fast. Allegedly dynos out to 85 HP +/-, real good for oldschool
60 CID twins.

Other details - "Fat Bob" gas tanks, drag bars, drag pipes & custom "solo" seat (note the lack of rear seat or foot pegs,
those will have to be earned).

Problems needing attention - At first glance it looks complete, but on closer inspection various systems need to be
re-assembled like the brakes, fuel lines, wiring & a few other details. The starter is also busted & needs to be pulled,
possibly a project for this weekend (sick lately & depends on weather).

I'll start adding my notes on TLAD here as I compile them. Feel free to copy & print these off

There's a few good rewards to be had, bikes & weapons at your disposal, several bikes & weapons will spawn at
your active club houses, bikes can be had by calling Clay & weapons from Jim. Terry can sell you weapons from
his van (similar to Little Jacob) as they become available in the game.

Bati 800 - Deliver 10 bikes to Angus, it's parked at the club house & available from Clay. Personal choice for best
Sport bike.

Diablous - Parked at clubhouse initially, Brian's bike parked in save spot & after "Angels in America" call Clay.

Double T - Call Clay after "On the Pipe"

Hakachu (spelling?) - Big dog of the sport bikes, this Ninja bike is your reward for completing 12 Races.

Hellfury - Call Clay after "Action/Reaction"

Hexer - Johnny's bike, frequently given to you in missions & parked by the club house when you load your game.

Lycan - Call Clay, Jim or Terry for any activity & find one near where you meet them.

Innovation - Find all 50 seagulls & this bad animal is parked at your club house or call Clay. Personal choice for
best bike in game.

Revanent - Billy's bike in your save spot. Call Clay for one after "This Shit's Cursed".

Zombie - Call Clay after you complete "Liberty City Choppers". Jim rides a black one & they can be found after
gangwars. Climbs stairs easily & does a lot better on beaches than you would think. Best Chopper bike, I think
I'm going to build one.

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Weapons: Call Jim for free weapons, found on the second floor of the main club house next to the pool table &
usually w/ full ammo, except for pipe bombs. Initially he has the Micro SMG (1200 rounds), Pistol (1500 rounds)
& Sawed Off Shotgun (160 rounds). Gangwar weapons are found in a small back room on the first floor of the club
next to the TV.

9MM Auto Pistol - Complete 20 gangwars for 1 w/ 30 rounds or call Jim after "Bad Cop Drop".

Carbine Assault Rifle (M4) Complete 30 gangwars & find one at the club house w/ 30 rounds.

Grenade Launcher - Billy gives you one one w/ 15 rounds for "Action/Reaction, at club after 50 gangwars. Stubbs
replaces it w/ an RPG for "Politics".

Sawed Off Shotgun - For the first time in any GTA I've played (all 3rd person) you start w/ a weapon, this bad animal
& 100 rounds of ammo. Hang onto it, it's the only shotgun you can use from your bike & it's a car killer (I've taken
out Linerunners w/ 2 shots). Call Jim for a full one, get one w/ 16 rounds for completing 10 gangwars.

Street sweeper - Elizabeta gives you one for "Heavy Toll" & it's at the club house after completing 40 gangwars.

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Gangwar tactics: When you drive into the marker you have to be on a bike, but that doesn't mean you have to stay
on it. You'll have Clay, Jim & Terry riding w/ you, each has a prospect riding along & combined they have the IQ of
an igneous rock. Don't even bother trying to keep them alive, they'll only get you killed.

Know where you can get ammo & have it fully stocked! Same for health & armor.

You are not restricted to staying in an immediate area, take advantage of this to get health & armor when low.

As you complete gangwars they get progressively harder. The AIs get sneaky, find alleys, chase & try to outflank
you. Their numbers increase & they call in backup, usually slipping in behind you in a firefight.

Once you complete a gangwar any warrant you have is cleared, don't agitate the cops if you don't have to.

There are 3 types:

Enemy escorting vehicle - Have a Sawed Off for this & ignore the escorts, let the brothers worry about them. Just
concentrate on the target vehicle & hammer it w/ the sawed off, a few well places shots will take it out quickly. As
soon as you see flames back off. When it blows, pick up an extra $1000 or so dropped from the dead vehicle. An
RPG is good if the target vehicle gets stuck.

Enemy hanging out - They're concentrated in one area, you just need to go get them. Take the Street Sweeper if
you have one & the Carbine Assault Rifle. Most of these guys are already there but a few reinforcements will show
up. Use cover & snipe them w/ the M4 (press down on right stick to zoom while aiming), go for headshots but watch
your back. Catch a few hiding behind a car & you can clear them quickly w/ a Grenade or Pipe Bomb

Enemy on the move - This is the one that will most likely get you, especially above #30. Carbine Assault & Street
Sweeper are preferred w/ Pipe Bombs or Grenades. Catch up to their convoy & fire a few shots, then get the hell
out of there, they will chase you & have somewhere in mind where you can lead them. My favorite spot is an alley
where Niko had to blow up some vans, it has an AK w/ 80 rounds (if you have the M4 you can pick up ammo every
minute or so, just don't switch weapons) full health & if you go through a red door at the end you go up to the roof
for armor & a great sniping point for those that make it in & there's only one way in through a nice choke point. If
you spend a little time scouting you can find similar areas around the city. They spread out enough that you can take
them out a few at a time & get health (jump in an ambulance for a quick 50%) & armor.

I didn't catch what the first gangwar paid, but it increases as you go & by the time you get to 35 or so they pay
about $10,000 or so. You receive weapons at the main clubhouse next to the TV & 2nd clubhouse upstairs as follows -

10 gangwars = Sawed Off Shotgun & 16 rounds.
20 gangwars = 9MM Auto Pistol & 30 rounds
30 gangwars = M4 & 30 rounds.
40 gangwars = Street Sweeper & 30(?) rounds.
50 gangwars = Grenade Launcher & 4 rounds.

Will add more as I complete more gangwars.