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#21 Spaz The Great

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 04:38 PM

EDIT: Btw, cars in RL are 3D, but the ones in GTA2 are not. Spaz, if I look at the box, I can still move around and see that the box is 3D. If I was playing GTA2 and I was moving around the monitor, looking at the car, I would still see the car roof no matter what. Thus, proving they are 2D.


Alright. So, in your definition, ALL games are, infact, 2D..... Thank you.

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 07:43 PM

Yeas, that is what I meant. Look spaz, ok? The cars in GTA2 are 2D. You will never see a car on its side, on its front, etc. In GTA3, if you walk around the car, you can see different angles of the car. Spaz, you getting this?
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Posted 13 June 2006 - 07:33 PM

This is one of those things that is difficult to explain to other people. In GTA 2, it is not a full 3D model, because it would be a waste of time and memory, and there would be no point because you would only see the top anyway. Is this put into clearer words? I don't think any of us will come with a reasonable solution with this, so here goes. Spaz the Great, I see that you are correct about what you are trying to say. Tommy Vercetti Guy, I also see that you are correct about what you are trying to say. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. There.

I did that because we will never resolve this argument.

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 02:31 PM

I have finally found something that will prove that GTA 2 is not 3D.
In this website look at the forum, 'GTA III' and the description under it say something like 'The series that brought the popular franchise into 3D'. This means that none of the previous GTA games were in 3D.

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 11:14 PM

Forum descriptions don't prove anything, what does though is this quote from one of the game designers:

"It's a 3d engine, with a fixed camera facing directly down, centered on your character."

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 11:57 PM

Mother, go find us a GTA2 car in 3D

EDIT: It is in a 3D engine, the buildings are 3d, but the people, cars, movable things are not

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 04:36 AM

here's a 3-D Screenshot of gta2 but i dont think its in a mode of some sort.
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Edited by ITBTD, 23 June 2006 - 04:41 AM.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 12:46 PM

Probably from that thing I was talking about

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 07:10 PM

Deary me this seems to have caused some controversy. Just cos I wanna join in, here's my thoughts on the matter.

The world of GTA2 is three dimensional.

In a game, 3 dimensions mean that there is a model, that can be moved and the 'camera' can move around it to get different views.
In a game, 2 dimensions mean that they have to manually redraw the object to get different viewpoints.

For example, this drawing of a dog by someone you may have heard of: Adolf Hitler.
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If the artist wanted to make the dog look the other way, or see the back of the dog, he'd have to draw it again. Yes he could use the original image for reference, or trace some of it, but he would have to draw it again. He can't just look at it from a different angle.
This makes the dog 2 dimensional.

Now take this rather fetching statue of Josef Stalin:
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If that brush dude wanted to have a look at the back of Stalin's head, he only has to move himself round the other side and he can see it. This is because this is a three-dimensional model rather than a two-dimensional image.

If you take a look at this screenshot of GTA2:
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You can see that your perspective view of the buildings changes when you go round the side of them. This is because the buildings are three-dimensional models, like the statue. Your view of the cars do not change, they are static non-moving images, like the drawing.

GTA2 = 3D game with 2D camera movement

It's kinda halfway between 3D and 2D, but it DOES use models rather than just images moving around on top of each other (like pacman, for example).

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 03:43 AM

Correct me if i'm wrong: "The car/people 'models' (or drawing more precisely) are sprites"

So you know, if you look at it from ANY ANGLE, it will stay the same.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 07:36 PM

Yeah that sounds about right.

A sprite is an independent graphic object controlled by its own bit plane.

In my understanding (which isnt in any great detail) a sprite is a floating flat 2D image that you see in 2D always, as if it's following you around.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 08:40 PM

Anyone played Duke Nukem 3D? The enviroment was 3D, but the enemies were 2D sprites. Say an enemy was in the middle of a room. You would walk around the room looking at the enemy and he would always be 2D facing you, never see him on his side and back.

Oh, and the guy that posted the GTA2 pic in 3D, notice no cars or peds in that pic? Because they are 2D sprites. The enviroment is 3D, as if you move around the buildings and you can see the side, but you can never see the side of pds or vehicles

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 08:41 PM

Anyone played Duke Nukem 3D? The enviroment was 3D, but the enemies were 2D sprites. Say an enemy was in the middle of a room. You would walk around the room looking at the enemy and he would always be 2D facing you, never see him on his side and back.


Lol :D . I remember Duke Nukem 3D. I've played it like 10 years ago...
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Posted 27 June 2006 - 08:49 PM

Yeah, and the strippers were 2D sprites too
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Posted 27 June 2006 - 09:06 PM

Even the boss on the last level (football stadium) was 2D! But that was ok at that time. Oh, do I have to mention that various objects and weapons were 2D too?
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Posted 27 June 2006 - 09:08 PM

No, they should get the point now.

3D - Enviroment
2D- Everything that moves (peds, cars, etc)
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 04:05 PM

In a way, but a game can NEVER be 3D because it is not an actual object, and is just an image on a TV screen. For example, an apple sitting infront of me is 3D, i can clearly see that, but on a TV screen, there is no stopping it that it could be just 2D. Does this mean that ALL GTA games are in 2D? Am I right, or am I wrong? If I am wrong, then tell me to shut up!

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 05:28 PM

In a way, but a game can NEVER be 3D because it is not an actual object, and is just an image on a TV screen. For example, an apple sitting infront of me is 3D, i can clearly see that, but on a TV screen, there is no stopping it that it could be just 2D. Does this mean that ALL GTA games are in 2D? Am I right, or am I wrong? If I am wrong, then tell me to shut up!

In that case, I'll tell you to shut up. Have you've ever seen those 3D glasses? You can watch movies with them (if they're made in that technique), aswell as you can play games. I have two of these at home, for a computer. If I configure the graphics card's drivers, I can play ANY game with those glasses on, and the whole enviroment becomes 3D.
Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it's not there. Since those objects were made in 3D, all I have to do is put those glasses on and it will become real 3D.
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 06:56 PM

They are three dimensional, but they are shown 2-dimensionally. For example a photo of that apple in front of you would be 2D, but the apple would still have been 3D. It's the same with the game - the models are 3D, but we can only see them in 2D because of the screen.

However, you could have two cameras on the same model, showing two different sides of it. That proves its actually 3D and not just an animated image.

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