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Poll: Let's fix TGTAP (33 member(s) have cast votes)

Which of these options do you think would help rebuild TGTAP?

  1. A new design (8 votes [7.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.27%

  2. A reorganisation / restructure of the forum (11 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  3. New and more active staff (23 votes [20.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.91%

  4. Merging with Grand Theft Wiki (12 votes [10.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.91%

  5. Competitions & promotions (15 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  6. Extra site features and new types of content (22 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  7. Focus on the gang system again (19 votes [17.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.27%

How active have you been with TGTAP?

  1. I am new (2 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

  2. I have been here a while, but I don't get involved in the community (3 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  3. I post on the forums, but don't feel part of the community (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. I feel like part of the community (10 votes [30.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.30%

  5. I used to feel like part of the community, but not anymore (13 votes [39.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.39%

  6. I have been here from the start, and I'm not giving up yet (5 votes [15.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.15%

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#1 Gerard

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 10:20 PM

It's obvious that TGTAP is a mere shadow of its former self.

Back in April 2008, we were getting 13,000 posts per month. Even in August 2009 we were getting over 3000. But in November 2010, there were just 168 posts on this entire forum.

However, new user registrations are still high - 600 in November 2010, with every month varying between 400 and 800.

Do you think this site should be active again? Do you think we should try to re-engage with the community? How do we do this?

Please answer the poll above, and reply with your thoughts!

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#2 Damjan

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 04:54 PM

New staff.No offense for Chris, but he rarely visits or I just tend to miss whenever he comes on here..And a competition would be nice, all members will say about it wherever possible.A reward that is really something priced is what most value, not just some forum award.A game, Premium Account somewhere, a New Year's gift for this time of season would be perfect aswell.

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#3 _Ray

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 08:39 PM

We need to tell Rockstar to hurry up with GTA V :rolleyes:
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#4 EvoLuTioN

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:50 AM

New Staff, Competitions and Focus on the gang system again(Thats what got me to join here) or some other new feature.

We need proper active staff, Admins(Junior admins),Super mods,etc. I've noticed this on here and couple of other forums I used to be on, Once the staff go inactive the community start dying out.

Competitions should help get the members active again or add new active members to the mix. Get Rockstar to send over some goodies,etc to give away. I don't think they'll mind.

The Gang thing just to keep people interested till theres news bout a new GTA. Theres only so much new staff and competitions can do.

Been part of the community for almost 3 years now, Not giving up on it. Hope things work out.

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#5 Ivan

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:46 PM

Evo's right. And maybe then we could contact some of the old members and get them back, that would be great.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 08:17 PM

I still visit the place to moderate and such but there isn't a lot going on, today is the first report I've had to deal with in a month when I used to have to deal with maybe 6 or more a week.

As soon as the gang system died out I lost interest pretty quickly. Get the gang system going again and you'll get activity in the private forums. Get that started and you'll have the large amount of new members noticing this and wanting to join a gang. If this happens, they'll continue to return as they feel they are a part of the community. I know the reason for removing the private topics was to help encourage those members to post in other parts of the forum, but ultimately it stops member activity as they don't feel as inclined to return to the forum.

Competitions might increase activity for a wee while, but after their over you'll notice activity dies fast. The same applies to business; if a company offers lets say a 2 for 1 deal, it will increase sales while the offer is ongoing but because it's doing nothing to build upon brand loyalty for the company, as soon as the competition is over sales will fall right back to where they were before.

While a revitalisation in certain parts of the forum would help, there really isn't much we can do to increase activity for the long term until news for the next GTA starts to come out. Best thing I think to do is to revive the gangs. Bring back the private forums. Lower the requirements needed by each gang for members to be accepted into a gang. But most of all, the older members who have been here for a while need to make these new members feel a part of the community.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 05:39 AM

I'm hoping to become more active when I get a few things in my life settled. Hopefully after Christmas I will be around more.
Anyways, as others have said. The gang system did seem to keep people around and when it died, people seemed to have interest with posting at all on the forums.

I'm thinking a new design, site features and new types of interest may help. I have noticed that a lot of people seem to have been playing/talking Minecraft lately on several forums. Maybe creating a Minecraft server? Even if it's just a Classic Minecraft server so anyone can play without having to pay for Alpha.
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#8 Chris

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 07:33 PM

Wow, thanks for this Gerard. You're really helpful and I will reward you for your hard work by showering you in unicorns and penises forever!
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:57 AM

go back to the way it used to be
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#10 Gerard

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:29 PM

go back to the way it used to be


What in particular? Chris & Co can't really force the old members to come back. What do you think would help?

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#11 Mike356

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 06:25 PM

go back to the way it used to be


What in particular? Chris & Co can't really force the old members to come back. What do you think would help?


go back to the old ipb before it had all this facebook crap and make gta the main part of the forums not the other sub forums
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 06:36 PM

Downgrading isn't possible, Mike. Chris would need to restore a two year old backup and yeah, I'm back here :). IMO, the merge with GTAWiki could be useful, as they get plenty of visits and a link to TGTAP wouldn't hurt and might increase registers and posts. New content too, try to be more updated in news, you've been outdated lately, you need to try to get news ASAP so Google wants to crawl TGTAP more.
As for the gang system, only if a MTA server is possible, a gang system is pointless just on a forum doing deals and saying like "bang you're killed, you're out of the gang" as I hate RP's. About the staff, maybe, some of the staff are getting pretty inactive these days.
In the news subject again, you could get a News Posters group so everyone and not only staff would help. These are my 2 cents.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:22 PM

I don't think switching to an outdated version of IPB will help the community be active again. I feel it has a lot to do with Rockstar and GTA V news, seeing as that's what this sites purpose is - to unite fans of the game. Sadly, there isn't that much to talk about regarding GTA at this point in time, nothing new is happening. I suppose starting up the MTA server again and focusing on that more could definitely work, but I've learned that my strong point isn't coding, and in order for the server to succeed we need something that's unlike the rest of the servers, and we don't really have the resources available to code a new game mode. If we did, I could think of a lot of ideas, but implementing them is the problem.

I don't see much more we can really do beyond that, at least if we're making a big change. It's not really our fault - as I said before, it really depends on Rockstar and the news on the next GTA.

I'll shut up now :/.

#14 Gerard

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 10:09 PM

Making GTA the focus again - That's a good point. I think GTA was pushed down because those forums were really inactive, and people wanted the discussion and community side more. People wanting the GTA stuff could find it easily if they wanted either way. Let's not forget that there isn't much GTA stuff happening right now, so making it GTA-only is just as much of a death sentence. Then again, I agree we should go back to what we're good at, and I think we can do this.

The "Facebook crap" is all optional, and surely doesn't interrupt or disrupt your experience. Of course downgrading would be stupid, but we can simplify the layout and stuff though.

I don't think an MTA server (or other ingame gang system) is going to work. It relies on everyone being in the same place at the time time, which just can't happen on an international forum of this size. Yeah we can definitely run one, but it just couldn't be the focal point of the community here.

I like the idea of getting regular users to submit news (or join a news-posting team). As the Wiki founder, of course I believe in crowdsourcing and letting the users run the show here. I'll be working with Chris to see how much user-driven content we can get up here, and a merge with Grand Theft Wiki would definitely achieve that, and it would keep the whole site up-to-date.

Yes GTA V is probably 9-15 months away, but we want to be ready with a great community for the run-up to that. With GTA IV, Chris waited until it was released then expected all the new visitors to magically make the community good again, and that didn't really happen. We need to be ready beforehand, and bring in the users as soon as they arrive.
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#15 Ivan

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 10:28 PM

Yeah, we should definitely get prepared and make a plan but as you said, GTA V is still very far away, what could we do in the meantime?
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#16 Gerard

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 10:54 PM

I was meaning let's get the community going, we can't rely on GTA to bring/keep people here. Lots of people, lots of discussion and chat and games and GTA info and help and mods and stuff.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 08:30 PM

It's been a long while since GTA IV came out, I'm guessing the whole GTA scene must be going through the same issues. It won't be long till the next console GTA game, when that turns up it'll be important to get going with it full throttle. Aggressive coverage and some unique content. Back in the day I did a few issues of that GTA IV magazine and got some solid attention for it, building up a community from nothing. Something like that could be a way of making TGTAP stand out from the large number of reasonably similar fansites. Nice and easy to do in software like InDesign, probably wouldn't be very achievable in a weekly format and a monthly format might be too long, so bimonthly could work.

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 03:35 AM

I think that part of the problem is that GTA IV is so difficult to mod (Thx Rockstar) compared to previous GTA games, so there are fewer mods by a lot. I can't really think of many exciting mods or overhauls like there were for VC and SA, and with every update Rockstar releases, it disables ASI loaders and mods built for previous versions of the game.
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Posted 28 December 2010 - 06:51 AM

one thing that could help is to get staff members that are respectful. i stopped regularly posting here a couple years ago cuz most of the staff are, sorry to say, assholes in situations where its really unnecessary. and it makes me really uncomfortable that i cant post my thoughts without them attacking me...just an idea

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 07:27 AM

I think the lack of liveliness here has to do with Grand Theft Auto not being what it was...

...and that is NEW. Nothing was like it and nothing could beat it for quite some time which brought in plenty of clientele to the site. In 2008 I was STILL blown away by GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas playing them every day. I'm not sure about everyone else but I don't play GTA much at all anymore(recently beginning to go through the III era and about to buy IV for PC so I can reissue my love for GTA) and I have the suspicion that many of you don't play GTA every day now either... hence we're not continually posting in the GTA sections like we used to whereas back in the day all of posted in the GTA sections.


As for the poll:

1.) A new design: I think the layout is fine personally, but a new one may help. Can't say it would or wouldn't for sure.

2.) A reorganisation/restructure of the forum: COULD help, but really I think the site is good as is.

3.) New and more active staff: If they actually bring something to the table, then by all means. The only problem I see with a proposal asking for more staff is that it will make people become more active, but only to become staff.

4.) Merging with Grand Theft Wiki: I don't see what bad would come from that personally, but I also don't know the full details of what this would entail.

5.) Competitions & promotions: We didn't have competitions back in 2006 when we were super active, I don't think we need them now. Not sure what you mean by promotions though.

6.) Extra site features and new types of content: Again, I think the site is perfectly okay.

7.) Focus on the gang system again: I think this can help. In reference to the MTA server, it can be a problem to have all of us playing at the same time, but if people participate with getting the server up and running and play it then we're going to have more of us here on the forum. Some of us have busy lives though, which makes being active hard.



I do hope we get active again. Been here for 4 years now and like Evo said, I'm not giving up.

Edited by Nate10, 28 December 2010 - 07:00 PM.





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