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#1 MrLlamaLlama

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 06:09 PM

So yeah... in 8 weeks the government give me free money to learn n shit. Yeah, economic depression and all that :/


TL:DR - 1k budget excluding monitor.


Basically i need a new rig. Needs to be capable of uber spec gaming, aswell as with dual monitor support in the future... needs to be capable of quick image / music / video compiling etc also and with like 2/3 separate drives ( one like 1TB and a couple of 500s? ) also should have 7.1 surround support and enough USB bandwidth to handle tablets, microphones, all that stuff. Built in wireless is a bonus but not essential. I've been looking at the AMD phenom 6 cores and they look like they have a good value for the power... Intel i'm open to suggestions about... but i've just never had anything bad to say about AMD and never needed any more power than i had out of my old 2.8 dual core... though times have changed.


Feel free to post links, etc and i will evaluate as i see fit.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 02:00 AM

I don't mean to copy-pasta computer specs from someone else's rig, but you might take a look at the one in this thread (more specifically the last post):
http://strawberryfor...&t=265&start=10

Seems more than capable of running GTA IV, with two SLI'd GTX260s and a Phenom X2.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 07:27 PM

I would say something that the Athlon II X4 would be able to handle all of your requirements, plus they're under $100.
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Posted 07 July 2010 - 10:38 PM

Sweet find there huck... loving those specs right there... might have to use that as a base and work around. keep suggestions coming guys!

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 01:30 AM

Sweet find there huck... loving those specs right there... might have to use that as a base and work around. keep suggestions coming guys!


Thanks. I'm planning for a similar setup, but I'm afraid I don't have that much resources for buying one.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 04:56 PM

Right.

After doing some hunting, swapping and reading up, here's what I'm at.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 3.4GhZ
RAM: 6Gb Corsair Dominator
SSD (OS): OCZ Gladiator 32Gb
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1Tb
GFX: Gainward NvGTX460 1Gb
PSU: XFX 750w
CASE: Coolermaster HAF932
MOBO: Asus Crosshair IV Formula


Planning to throw in another GFX card after a couple weeks to sli, and another identical HDD dedicated to college work. This should be running through a 24" screen putting out 1920x1080(p).

Suggestions,comments,reservations welcome.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:30 PM

Youll make a really good profit selling that on eBay.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:32 PM

wut

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 09:15 PM

Husky, wut?

Anyone who's interested:

Downgraded the RAM to just 4 gig, but upped it to Dominator GT and slapped a Ram cooler on there. Also opting for an acer 24" Full HD 1080p display. The entire build comes in at under £900. Freakin' bargain to

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 09:37 PM

For 1, good luck fitting an OS on a 32GB Drive.

For me, Vista alone takes up over 20GB. Couple that with AppData, your Desktop and Documents, Restore points, the page file (if you don't move it off the SSD), temporary files, etc., stuff really fills up quick more than you think and you may find yourself running out of space. SSDs also should be kept under 2/3 full for best life/performance. For me, I have nothing on my SSD but the OS, MS Office, and Firefox, and I'm struggling to keep it under 45GB on my 60GB Drive.

Second, you would see nearly identical real world performance at a much lower price if you went for an Athlon II X4.

Last, and some people may disagree, but as much as I love NVIDIA, I've been pretty disappointed with their 4xx Generation and I would recommend an ATI Radeon unless you've got a really good deal on the GTX460. A 5830 is about on par with the GTX 460. But get a 5850 if you can, it has a much better price/performance ratio.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 11:27 PM

Sweet feedback. I'll re-evaluate the SSD situation, maybe use the money to grab a faster set of HDDs.

Also the Nvidias are clocking in like £50 cheaper than the 5850s where I usually shop. Also athlons have pathetic clock speeds and even more pathetic caches. I'd rather pay £30 extra for 4x the cache size and another ghz of CPU power.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 01:27 PM

Sweet feedback. I'll re-evaluate the SSD situation, maybe use the money to grab a faster set of HDDs.

Also the Nvidias are clocking in like £50 cheaper than the 5850s where I usually shop. Also athlons have pathetic clock speeds and even more pathetic caches. I'd rather pay £30 extra for 4x the cache size and another ghz of CPU power.


If you get a Phenom at a higher clock speed, then yes, it's better. I didn't realize they had 3.4 GHz Athlons . . . . <_<

Anyway, clock for clock the Athlon wins and the cache really doesn't make a ton of a difference. But, read this article and make your own conclusions.

Oh and if the NVIDIA's are really cheaper where you shop, then get it. However, be aware that the GTX 460 is far below the 5850 which is why it's way cheaper. The GTX 465 is roughly on part with a 5830, so figure it out from there.

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Edit --> At the top of my first post the last word should be Phenoms, not Athlons. Just so there's no confusion.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 01:55 PM

If you had to recommend an Nvidia GPU, which would it be, then? People tend to go around with an elitist view, i have a couple of friends who both run GTX260s and they're pretty beefy... how come all of a sudden the higher models with demonstrably higher specifications are shit-heaps?

Also figured about the athlon / phenom thing.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 02:36 PM

If you had to recommend an Nvidia GPU, which would it be, then?


Whatever floats your boat. :D

I just don't like the 4xx series because they use so much power and produce so much heat. Also, they're expensive compared to ATI and if you don't care about DX11 or more monitors, then you can get a 200-series card for the same relative performance for WAY less price.

I would use this article as a helpful reference.

how come all of a sudden the higher models with demonstrably higher specifications are shit-heaps?


Because while I believed NVIDIA's 200 series to be far greater than ATI's Radeon 4000's, when it comes to the GTX 400s and the Radeon 5000s it's completely turned around. The new Radeons are better in mostly every way; power consumption, heat, performance, and mainly, price.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:24 PM

Excuse me if i'm being a bit retarded here... but you're saying the likes of a 295 would be on apr with the 460? Anywhoo, i'll take a look at that article and get back to you. Also for the record i am planning a second 24" monitor down the line... not used for gaming, though, just for design work.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:43 PM

Get an ATI.Nvidia's 400 series, like raybob said are way expensive.A 5770/5870 will easily outpower the GTX 460.Good thing you picked a Phenom,Athlon X4's still don't have the power as the Phenom's, they may clock better but they suck.And DON'T get a ASUS mobo, they blow.If they fuck up, you can say goodbye to fixing it, or getting answers from ASUS's tech support.Get a Gigabyte one, much better and cheaper for the stuff you need.I'm guessing that you picked DDR3 RAM, since the ASUS Crosshair IV only supports DDR3.So, this mobo is way cheaper,and will give you what you need.

EDIT: or this one.(if you're looking for a newer chipset)

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:11 PM

Again, never had any issue with Asus mobo's, always been flawless in my experience and even if something goes wrong, scan (where i buy my PC stuff from) have awesome warranty, returns and even customer error policies so yah.

Also stated before that the ATi's being mentioned are more expensive. In the same way an i7 980x will outpower the CPU i've chosen, the price band is completely different.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:15 PM

I'd recommend a basic but effective AM3 motherboard such as this gigabyte board[/url[ or anything from this page.

Also, Steam, you can't exactly compare a 5770 and 5870, they're in difference markets and price ranges.

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I'd recommend a basic but effective AM3 motherboard such as this gigabyte boardor anything from [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007625+50001314+600009016+600013659&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=22&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=]this page.

Also, Steam, you can't exactly compare a 5770 and 5870, they're in difference markets and price ranges. Also, if you compare the Athlon and Phenom, you will see that there is very little difference outside of synthetic benchmarks.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:31 PM

No

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:50 PM

Never has there been a more apt use of the phrase: STFU or GTFO



Either way, I'm going to take a bit of a step back on the mobo front. Got a friend who's going to talk me through a few things directly and I'll let you know how things go. Thanks to all for now for the suggestions and knowledge until I return...

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