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#41 Thomas.

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 05:10 PM

They are but some people do occasionally miss them and may need them pointed out. Unlike them, we know the rules a lot better, if you want more members to stay then the older members (i.e. members who've been here more than 8 months) will have to be role-models instead of ignoring the newer members.

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 05:29 PM

I think the problem is that most people people are just posting in the private chats now and that most of the sub forums are inactive besides the gaming chat. I think we just need people to start posting stories or graphics again or get some serious discussions started again but we just need some way to keep interests high so people stop leaving.
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Posted 28 November 2009 - 06:03 PM

I generally don't post in the FFM private forum (mainly because it's getting inactive and boring). I think the biggest problem of forum activity is that members have quite a lot more going on in their personal lives, I have many reasons why I can't come on, like today I had to walk 10km from Linlithgow to my town to raise money but this resulted in me grabbing a cup of coffee and sat down at the PC to come on the forums for a change. My life is getting busier because:

  • I'm partaking in the Duke of Edinburgh Award.
  • I prefer to hang out with my friends.
  • I want to get good grades at school.
  • I want to learn things at home that I can't at school like Italian, Portuguese and the Cold War.
  • I am becoming more and more active in terms of sport and have joined various school clubs, the best of my abilities being used in the Badminton club and in two weeks, the Badminton tournament. I go to a Youth Club on Friday nights as well.
  • And so forth.
This causes me to forget about TGTAP and do other things like Facebook, watching the TV and, sometimes, going to my friends' house.

Another problem might be that many guests who view the forum may be looking for answers but don't speak English or has very little knowledge of the English language. This has been discussed before - making TGTAP a multilingual or bilingual website with many members who can speak more than 30 languages between us all to help with it.

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 07:30 PM

Actually Thomas, the multi-lingual idea may not be such a pointless thing now. I'm half surprised bigger forums like GTAF don't do it already since they obviously have a much larger membership than us.

It's something I'd be happy trialling to see how it goes. Obviously we're no way near big enough to warrant a forum for each language our users would want, but a single "Non-English" forum I think would suffice. With perhaps a "general chat" thread and an all encompassing "GTA help/chat" thread per language, or maybe no limits would be better. Any language growing disproportionately would perhaps get it's own sub-forum should we deem it necessary.

Ironically I think we would see less common languages getting used more. French, German, Dutch speakers etc. tend to only visit GTA sites in their own languages. Here we have a lot of Romanians, why? Because there are no large Romanian sites for them to visit. Same with Filipinos and Indians and a number of other countries.

One main rule would be to have an English translation of the topic title as the topic description. And the use of a tag to specify the language to aid with using online translators for anyone interested. e.g. "[FR] Je suis drole" would tell us the topic was in French.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this overall idea? Something we should trial, or is it unnecessary?

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 08:06 PM

Try checking where the most visitors are coming in from (aside from english speaking countries, course) and start with that one. Although if there are not many, then it might not be such a great idea... Having the language change isn't going to attract visitors, but rather keep visitors on the website for longer. So it'd be a good idea to have the language set according to the area of the IP when the user first gets on the page. Otherwise it'd be almost useless.

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 08:14 PM

Well, you could make a single section like (GTA SA), etc with no subforums for the most popular languages: Russian, Spanish, Portuguese, etc...

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 09:02 PM

Maybe start a trial in a common language first that has multiple members who speak the language on the forum like Portuguese. Spiver Vice, Ivan, Dirty Harry, for example, could all start it up. Maybe start with any of the following languages and see how it goes:

German
French
Spanish
Portuguese
Dutch
Russian OR
Romanian

This is what I'm suggesting, any of these I believe would be the best to start with. I recommend out of those Portuguese, Spanish, French or German since we have a lot of members who have some sort of knowledge of those languages.
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Posted 28 November 2009 - 10:07 PM

Well here are the top 25 countries based on visitors from the last 30 days:

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 10:48 PM

Well here are the top 25 countries based on visitors from the last 30 days:


It appears as though we should start with Portuguese, Romanian, German, Dutch or Polish - the five most common countries in question that uses the Alphabet we use and the majority of the countries that don't speak English.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 03:38 AM

That language thing is a good idea. Maybe we could have a thing (Like a drop-down box)to select which language they can view the forum in. Like we could put 5 or 6 popular languages and when someone comes online they can view the forum in their language. Also when the person has their language on and is viewing the forum they could make a topic in their language and if we have it on English we could still see it. Is that possible?

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 02:00 PM

Well here are the top 25 countries based on visitors from the last 30 days:


It appears as though we should start with Portuguese, Romanian, German, Dutch or Polish - the five most common countries in question that uses the Alphabet we use and the majority of the countries that don't speak English.

I agree. Well, still maybe there are more Portuguese (for example) members than Brazillian for example. The translated forums would increase activity on these countries. (Sorry if I sound confusing, today's not my day to explain stuff.)

@ Chris: What's up with 'Portuga'? :P
@ Highwire: That'd require someone to translate the whole forum or download some translations. Translating every single php entry on the forums is a time hogger.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 03:45 PM

That language thing is a good idea. Maybe we could have a thing (Like a drop-down box)to select which language they can view the forum in. Like we could put 5 or 6 popular languages and when someone comes online they can view the forum in their language. Also when the person has their language on and is viewing the forum they could make a topic in their language and if we have it on English we could still see it. Is that possible?


I think the best idea is to create forums that are language specific. So that we don't need to spend a lot of time on translating the whole site. What I presume is that there will be a General Discussion and GTA Forum for that particular language. The forum name would be, most likely, the name of the language in that language like "Deutsch", "Français", "Português" or "España", or alternatively it could say that it is the forum of that particular language "Le Forum de 'The GTA Place' en Français", "Le Forum de Français" or "Le Forum de Français sur The GTA Place".

These forums will most likely function the same as the English one but with specific Forum Bosses keeping an eye on discussion there as some members of staff may not know the language that is going to be used.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 03:51 PM

I think we could use a system similar to the forum bosses for this, but toned down even more. Basically, the bilingual members would have small tags to show it, and would be the first port of call to answer when something is posted in a foreign language. Even use one / two of them as the forum bosses. Obv. if they didn't know, they could just post a translation / PM someone who is likely to know the answer.

We could ensure all these questions, etc are in the right place with something on the homepage, similar to the LFM / FB / twitter thing thee atm, to notify foreign users that we can help, and where to post to get it asap.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:25 PM

That language thing is a good idea. Maybe we could have a thing (Like a drop-down box)to select which language they can view the forum in. Like we could put 5 or 6 popular languages and when someone comes online they can view the forum in their language. Also when the person has their language on and is viewing the forum they could make a topic in their language and if we have it on English we could still see it. Is that possible?

We can but that only applies to default text stuff. i.e. "New Topic" "Post Reply" and things like that are only what's translated. There's no way to make it translate actual topics and posts.

@ Chris: What's up with 'Portuga'? :P

Ha. Yeah I was using FireShot extension to capture and crop part of the webpage. It fails at rendering flash graphics for proper capture and cuts off the end of text. You can also see this with "United Kingdon"

I think the best idea is to create forums that are language specific. So that we don't need to spend a lot of time on translating the whole site. What I presume is that there will be a General Discussion and GTA Forum for that particular language. The forum name would be, most likely, the name of the language in that language like "Deutsch", "Français", "Português" or "España", or alternatively it could say that it is the forum of that particular language "Le Forum de 'The GTA Place' en Français", "Le Forum de Français" or "Le Forum de Français sur The GTA Place".

These forums will most likely function the same as the English one but with specific Forum Bosses keeping an eye on discussion there as some members of staff may not know the language that is going to be used.

Yes this is a great idea, but at the moment we have nowhere near enough members to warrant a whole sub-forum for each language. This is why I suggested, to start off with, simply have one forum for non-English topics. Any languages that we find are getting used a lot, only THEN will we create a dedicated sub-forum for them.

I think we could use a system similar to the forum bosses for this, but toned down even more. Basically, the bilingual members would have small tags to show it, and would be the first port of call to answer when something is posted in a foreign language. Even use one / two of them as the forum bosses. Obv. if they didn't know, they could just post a translation / PM someone who is likely to know the answer.

We could ensure all these questions, etc are in the right place with something on the homepage, similar to the LFM / FB / twitter thing thee atm, to notify foreign users that we can help, and where to post to get it asap.

Yeah. I suppose we could add an extra profile field for "Languages Spoken" - and make it so members CANNOT edit this themselves (this stops idiots adding loads of languages that they only know a couple of words in), instead, staff can edit it and only include languages we know they actually speak fluently.

Yeah I was thinking we I could put a page up on the main website explaining what we're doing. We'll have our members translate the page into their own language and include that too. Yes I can just use Google Translate, but I'd rather not rely on that because in some cases it's not going to get the message across accurately, and they'll either be confused or it simply won't make sense to them.

I'll put a link on the homepage to this page in the social network box we currently have to draw foreign users' attention to it. I think probably a lot of foreign members don't bother signing up here because they don't want to speak English all the time, either because they can't speak it well enough or would simply prefer talking to users in their own language.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:47 PM

Whoah hang on. You're talking about automatic translations, a new staff level, a new reporting system. Let's bring it back down a notch.

Do we know how many people visit TGTAP wanting to get information in another language? Obviously if we had this provision it would increase, but is there a demand? Is the speak-in-your-own-language topic heavily used?

I agree, start with one 'TGTAP International' sub-forum, enforce [DE] ISO language codes at the start of each topic title. If this gets heavy use, split off some subforums. If we need to introduce official bilingual helpers, we can do that, but I would have thought they'd regularly visit the subforums anyway, and the ISO code search should make it easy.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:50 PM

These seem some good ideas actually, but the forums could focus on the most important stuff: GTA and maybe the Lifestyle forum...
If all this language thing happens, I'm sure your members will increase. :D

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 06:17 PM

What we should also do is count how many unique members actually use it instead of counting the number of posts one topic gets because many posts in one topic could be made by 2 or 3 people instead of a fair amount of members. This would make it slightly more fair. Which languages will we start with?

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 06:31 PM

I don't think we need to specify which languages. We'll let the members post what they want and see what happens from there.

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 06:40 PM

Okay. When'll this, if it does, come into place?

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Posted 29 November 2009 - 11:30 PM

Well, I guess I could help out with the portuguese stuff if this ever goes through.
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