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#21 Urbanoutlaw

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 11:31 AM

Bummer.

I know Toyota Landcruisers are popular down under, do you see a lot of Ford/Holden engine swaps?

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 08:43 AM

No actually, which is fine. No offense to Ford but they are German made and drive like shit. Holdens are australian made and drive awesomely...

I prefer driving my Mum's Holden then my Pappa's Ford. Even though the Ford is really sporty.

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Posted 25 October 2007 - 01:40 PM

Fords are American, they have factories in Germany. Apparently you haven't driven a German Sierra.

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 07:01 AM

I'm 14, course I haven't (Driven families cars though). But I've never actually heard of a Sierra, what's it like?

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 02:34 PM

I'd have to say Ford. My brother has a Pontiac GTO which is a Holden Monaro with Pontiac slapped on it. Love the thing (even though it is falling apart from the abuse), but I'm a sucker for American cars. ;)


The GTO also has a 'Vette 350 under the hood.

Not sure what to make of them, I tangled w/ one last fall & my V6 'Stang kept up w/ him up to about 45MPH or so. That's
when he finally passed me & I saw the GTO logo on the trunk. NOT impressed, a cold air kit, decent exhaust & reprogram
of the computer & I think I could've taken him.



Come on now, he couldn't have been trying.

2005 & 2006 GTO's have the LS2, 364.

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 11:02 PM

That was my point, it WASN'T. Once I realized it was a GTO, I felt bad for the guy, he should have just walked away from me
from a dead stop.

I'm 14, course I haven't (Driven families cars though). But I've never actually heard of a Sierra, what's it like?


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In the mid '80s, Ford imported them to the US under the name Merkur. I had an '87 XR4TI w/ a turbo 2.3 that made 200 hp.
That thing was FAST!

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 06:43 PM

So it was a 2004?

I'm not trying to start anything, but I'd like to support the GTO on this. With a good driver an 04 GTO can run high 13s on the quarter. Are you saying a V6 Mustang (and I'll assume the Mustang has a motor similar to the 4.0L SOHC in my truck, which puts out 207hp) can take an 04 GTO?

The GTO has a fat ass, so I know power to weight plays a role, but my brother has raced an 07 Mustang GT and it could barely keep up.

I can't imagine a V6 Mustang keeping up with any GTO.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 08:56 AM

No actually, which is fine. No offense to Ford but they are German made and drive like shit. Holdens are australian made and drive awesomely...

I prefer driving my Mum's Holden then my Pappa's Ford. Even though the Ford is really sporty.


Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but Holdens aren't exactly what you think.

The Barina, Captiva, Epica etc in the current Holden range are all Korean, and the Commodore from 1978 to 2006 was a warmed over German design.

Many other models also came from overseas, or had international influence. The Kingswood is the only Holden to be fully Australian made.

The Ford Falcon was an American design up to 1972, but has been completley Australian since. (Still using some foreign parts though)

Both Holden and Ford are owned by American parents (GM for Holden and The Ford motor company for Ford).

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 08:45 AM

Well..I'd probably say holden...don't know why...

Anyway they have the new VE ute....looks awesome...

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 11:38 PM

I know what Holden is and I'm not from Austalia. Yeah I like it better. Holden rocks. So does Ford but I like Holden better.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 11:39 PM

Despite the fact that Holden is my surname, i prefer fords.

Uncle's got an old ford mexico in peices sitting in his garage.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 07:57 AM

If the search showed me the right one, they were called the Fiesta in the US. Just a basic little front wheel drive hatchback.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:02 AM

Ford escort mexico?? They use Fiesta name now for a little front wheel drive hatchback...hmm

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 01:20 AM

AFAIK mexico was the American name for a while (in the older models), not sure if it's changed to fiesta over there...

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:25 AM

Like I said, it really surprised me. My 3.8 is a pushrod engine, no overhead cam & 2 valves per cylinder. I have a K&N air
filter & Bosch platinum plugs, but other than that stock. Estimated HP is around 200.

Holden probably does the same thing as other GM makes, using models form divisions around the world to make models sold
under the Holden name (Like the GTO being an Aussie Manaro).

Ford abandoned the Falcon name in the US after 1970 but it lived on in other parts of the world. My personal favorite is the
'73 XB, Mad Max's car.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Ford_Falcon

Speaking of Ford Falcons, there was also an Argentine variant based on the US '63 model. -

http://www.arcar.com...Ford-Falcon.jpg

http://en.wikipedia....con_(Argentina)

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 12:31 PM

No actually, which is fine. No offense to Ford but they are German made and drive like shit. Holdens are australian made and drive awesomely...

I prefer driving my Mum's Holden then my Pappa's Ford. Even though the Ford is really sporty.


Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but Holdens aren't exactly what you think.

The Barina, Captiva, Epica etc in the current Holden range are all Korean, and the Commodore from 1978 to 2006 was a warmed over German design.

Many other models also came from overseas, or had international influence. The Kingswood is the only Holden to be fully Australian made.

The Ford Falcon was an American design up to 1972, but has been completley Australian since. (Still using some foreign parts though)

Both Holden and Ford are owned by American parents (GM for Holden and The Ford motor company for Ford).


Sorry to burst your bubble, but I know for a fact that Holden is fully Australian, under the GM logo. Made here and created, the American Version of the new Holden Comidore is going to be made in Adelaide and be imported to America. All of Holden are Australian, even some GM.

So don't start shit about it, ok.

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:47 PM

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 05:00 PM

Not enough said, this is what he's talking about -

http://www.uniquecar...cifications.htm

In the US that would be a '69 Ford Falcon 4 door w/ a 351 Cleveland.

Get in, sit down, shut up & hold on. This is why I love Aussie Muscle.

I'll take mine in white w/ blue stripes.

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Posted 18 December 2007 - 04:07 PM

"The typical American car, fast in a straight line, and pretty much rubbish at everything else."

^ Jeremy Clarkson's review on the new Ford Mustang. It is that reason exactly that I choose Holden. That and the Monaro VXR 500.

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 06:04 AM

Clarkson? He's an ass clown! At best, proof Michale Moore (Bowling for Columbine) has British relatives.

"The typical American car, fast in a straight line, and pretty much rubbish at everything else." is a poor generalization.
Not all American cars are front engine/rear drive V8 configuration & in all fairness is he talking about a base model, a
Saleen or a Shelby Mustang? I can say for a fact my 2000 'Stang (stock) corners quite nicely & can hang w/ FWD cars
in cornering. What is he comparing the '05 to, a European car costing 3 times as much? Like comparing a Ford Focus
to a new Porsche. Did He mention you could drive the Mustang for years & only need basic maintenance like oil changes
& clean filters. it was designed to be a daily driver, not some rich snob's status toy.

Did I mention Ass Clown

Quotes from Wikipedia page -
"Clarkson was awarded an honorary degree from Brunel University on 12 September 2003, partly because of his work
in popularising engineering..."

Honorary? So he talked about the subject on TV & got an "honorary" degree.


"Everybody's very fat, everybody's very stupid and everybody's very rude. " (Reference to Americans).

This is based on...? Meeting every person in America? Or just the ones you've managed to annoy.


Before this turns into a full blown rant, I'll just let you read for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia....Jeremy_Clarkson

Holden models compare fairly to GM models available in the US.

Just for the record, not all Americans are fat, stupid & rude.

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